[Murat Yazici]

I have listended to a video by Mr. Harun Yahya:

http://www.harunyahy...AH_HER_YERDEDIR

Here he uses the following expressions:

"Allah is everywhere"

"Allah is here right now"

"There is no place at which Allah is not present"

He then contradicts himself by saying "Allah is without time and without place."

My impression is, he is confused and he does not know the exact meanings and consequences of his words. His statements, however, are very dangerous.

I have answered his talk in my blog in Turkish:

http://muratyazici.b...lgisizligi.html

The following is what I wrote in another forum:

From the famous basic aqidah (creed) and fiqh book Miftahu'l-Janna known as "Mızraklı İlmihal" and widely distributed and read during the Osmanlı (Ottoman) times:

"If somebody says that there is no place empty of Allah or Allah is in the sky, he becomes kafir [apostate]." (Miftahu'l-Janna, Bedir Publishing, Istanbul, p. 116)

Imam Birgivi rahimahullah (d. 981/1573) states:

"If a person says (Allahu ta'ala is my witness in the sky) he/she becomes kafir. Because, Allahu ta'ala is exalted beyond [being in a] makan [place]." (Vasiyyatname of Birgivi, Bedir Publishing, Istanbul, p. 52)

These two books have been read, recommended, approved, and distributed by the Osmanlı ulama (scholars) over several centuries. This is the belief of Sunni Muslims.

Let me add that the following statement can also be found in al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya:

"If somebody says that there is no place empty of Allah, he becomes kafir."

Imam Rabbani (Mujaddid-e-Alf Thani) rahimahullah states:

"Allahu ta'ala exists without time, without place, without direction. Allahu ta'ala is the Creator of all times, places, and directions." (Maktubat, volume: 2, letter: 67)

Those who understand Turkish, please see the following compilation of quotes from numerous Ahl al-Sunna scholars:

http://muratyazici.b...lemek-caiz.html

[IrfanibnIsmail]

Have you tried mailing this to their website to get a clarification from their side ? Or have you asked some heavy weight scholars from your country to get a clarification ?

wa salaam

[DefendingIslam]

Salam Alaykum,

An explanation should be sought for these statements. However, I also get the feeling that Harun Yahya is not an expert nor even authorized in the fields of Aqeedah he is talking about. This is also obvious from the way he says that there will be another prophet and other mind-boggling things.

This is the sign of our times. The people talking on behalf of Islam are deviants and deviators, leading people astray and even into disbelief with the unfounded and baseless comments they make about Islam. The lay Muslim people, who know no better, just follow whoever has a better media following. May Allah save us from the trials of this, and make us die on Iman and Islam.

[Light]

E-Mail Reply from

info@harunyahya.com

Quote:

“The misunderstandng probably lies at this point: \"Allah’s self is something different. But the manifestations of Allah are everywhere.\" This is not in contradiction with the Quran al Kareem, and the sunnah of our Prophet Muhammad (saas). If someone enters a room and says Allah is not there, he is denying Allah. The manifestations of Allah are in that room and everywhere. Wherever you may turn, manifestations of Allah are there. Several verses of the Qur’an state that Allah pervades all places, that He is closer to us than our own jugular veins, and that we will see His face wherever we look. For example, in verse 255 of Surat al-Baqara Allah says \"... His Footstool encompasses the heavens and the earth....\" Verse 92 of Surah Hud says, \"...But my Lord encompasses everything that you do\" meaning that Allah also pervades what people do. The truth revealed in the Qur’an is clear: Allah is not only in the skies. Allah is He Who enfolds and pervades all places. This knowledge is provided to us by way of the Qur’an. Describing the reality of the secret behind matter will enable people to better understand these verses. People who realize that matter is not an absolute entity will realize with complete clarity that Allah is everywhere at any moment, that He sees and hears them at all moments, that He witnesses all things and is closer to them than their own jugular veins, and that He hears the prayers of those who pray.

Please read this link:
http://us1.harunyahy...roductId/20320/

Salam ”

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[Murat Yazici]

DefendingIslam, on 05 March 2010 - 05:22 AM, said:

However, I also get the feeling that Harun Yahya is not an expert nor even authorized in the fields of Aqeedah he is talking about. This is also obvious from the way he says that there will be another prophet and other mind-boggling things.

Here is a summary of his life (in Turkish):

http://www.harunyahy...sss_yazar01.htm

Here it is said that he attended university and his field was "Beautiful Arts." That phrase means "drawing, sculpture, music, internal decoration, ..." in Turkish.

See also:

http://www.harunyahy...m/theauthor.php

There is no mention of any training in religious sciences or of any teacher whatsoever.

If anybody has any knowledge of from whom Mr. Adnan Oktar got his religious education, I would like to learn.

This post has been edited by Murat Yazici: 12 March 2010 - 02:43 PM

[Light]

COMMENTS BY SHEIKH NAZIM KIBRISI REGARDING MR. ADNAN OKTAR

Quote:

"ADNAN OKTAR: Look, I do just as he said. I have a special room and I do read it standing up. I have been doing the same thing for years. When Allah inspires information in me, I write it down. That is how Sheikh Nazim told me to do, and I do it."

Read the full article: HERE

[DefendingIslam]

Quote

The truth revealed in the Qur’an is clear: Allah is not only in the skies

This is another quote that needs explanation, if it can be given.

[Murat Yazici]

Light, on 12 March 2010 - 05:36 PM, said:

COMMENTS BY SHEIKH NAZIM KIBRISI REGARDING MR. ADNAN OKTAR

Quote:

"ADNAN OKTAR: Look, I do just as he said. I have a special room and I do read it standing up. I have been doing the same thing for years. When Allah inspires information in me, I write it down. That is how Sheikh Nazim told me to do, and I do it."

Read the full article: HERE

I don't quite understand: Does Mr. Oktar have ijazat from Sh. Kıbrısi?

Does he have any religious education?

My understanding is he is an "internal decorator/architect."

***

We read the following in the link you provided:

Allah has sent disasters on everyone who fought me and Allah removed their peace of mind. Allah closed their minds, made them breft of foresight and sent them sickness and many troubles. Insha'Allah. I did not pray against them, but Allah sent scourges down on them. Let society think about it. Allah sent scourges down on each and everyone.

I say: There is no greater disaster than saying things like "Allah is in the sky" or "Allah is everywhere." As I have explained above, Mr. Oktar's statements are confusing and contradictory. Perhaps by ascribing some majaz meanings to these statements, one might try to save Mr. Oktar. But, who will save the masses that imitate and repeat such kufr statements?

This post has been edited by Murat Yazici: 13 March 2010 - 12:22 PM

[IrfanibnIsmail]

Light, on 12 March 2010 - 06:48 PM, said:

E-Mail Reply from

info@harunyahya.com

Quote:

“The misunderstandng probably lies at this point: \"Allah’s self is something different. But the manifestations of Allah are everywhere.\" This is not in contradiction with the Quran al Kareem, and the sunnah of our Prophet Muhammad (saas). If someone enters a room and says Allah is not there, he is denying Allah. The manifestations of Allah are in that room and everywhere. Wherever you may turn, manifestations of Allah are there. Several verses of the Qur’an state that Allah pervades all places, that He is closer to us than our own jugular veins, and that we will see His face wherever we look. For example, in verse 255 of Surat al-Baqara Allah says \"... His Footstool encompasses the heavens and the earth....\" Verse 92 of Surah Hud says, \"...But my Lord encompasses everything that you do\" meaning that Allah also pervades what people do. The truth revealed in the Qur’an is clear: Allah is not only in the skies. Allah is He Who enfolds and pervades all places. This knowledge is provided to us by way of the Qur’an. Describing the reality of the secret behind matter will enable people to better understand these verses. People who realize that matter is not an absolute entity will realize with complete clarity that Allah is everywhere at any moment, that He sees and hears them at all moments, that He witnesses all things and is closer to them than their own jugular veins, and that He hears the prayers of those who pray.

Please read this link:
http://us1.harunyahy...roductId/20320/

Salam ”

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This is what i thought he would have meant. Harun Yahya is not refering to Allahu Taala in the sense of location. He is refering to the manifestation of Allah's attributes like Power, Knowledge, Mercy, etc in creation. Thanks for the post.

wa salaam

This post has been edited by IrfanibnIsmail: 13 March 2010 - 12:48 PM

[Murat Yazici]

Light, on 12 March 2010 - 03:18 PM, said:

E-Mail Reply from

info@harunyahya.com

Quote:

"The misunderstandng probably lies at this point: \"Allah's self is something different. But the manifestations of Allah are everywhere.\"

Then, why not just say "manifestations of Allah are everywhere" instead of "Allah is everywhere?"

Why make additions to religion? The statement ""Allah is everywhere" is a different statement and is extremely dangerous.

Light, on 12 March 2010 - 03:18 PM, said:

This is not in contradiction with the Quran al Kareem, and the sunnah of our Prophet Muhammad (saas). If someone enters a room and says Allah is not there, he is denying Allah.

So, if one says "Allah is not in the intestine of a pig," he is denying Allah? To affirm Allah's existence, he must say "Allah is in the pig's intestine?" (Allahu ta'ala is exalted beyond such statements).

Light, on 12 March 2010 - 03:18 PM, said:

The manifestations of Allah are in that room and everywhere. Wherever you may turn, manifestations of Allah are there.

Yes, His creations/manifestations can be seen everywhere. But, the following are two different sentences:

1. The manifestations of Allah are everywhere
2. Allah is everywhere

The second sentence is not permissible.

Light, on 12 March 2010 - 03:18 PM, said:

Several verses of the Qur'an state that Allah pervades all places, that He is closer to us than our own jugular veins, and that we will see His face wherever we look.

"Face?" This is a word in English and does not exist in Qur'an al-Kareem.

If he means "wajh," then he should prove that it is permissible to write "face" instead of "wajh" (I would not write "face").

Light, on 12 March 2010 - 03:18 PM, said:

For example, in verse 255 of Surat al-Baqara Allah says \"... His Footstool encompasses the heavens and the earth....\" Verse 92 of Surah Hud says, \"...But my Lord encompasses everything that you do\" meaning that Allah also pervades what people do.

Is it permissible to write the English word "Footstool?"

According to one dictionary I checked,

Footstool= A low stool to support the feet of one when sitting.

Light, on 12 March 2010 - 03:18 PM, said:

The truth revealed in the Qur'an is clear: Allah is not only in the skies.

In his talk (in the video in Turkish), he was trying to refute Wahhabis who attribute "upward direction" to Allahu ta'ala and say things like "Allah is in the sky." This sentence seems to be related to his argument there. By saying that "Allah is everywhere" he is also confirming that "Allah is in the skies" since "skies" are included in "everywhere."

I don't know of any Ahl al-Sunna scholar who wrote things like this.

Light, on 12 March 2010 - 03:18 PM, said:

Allah is He Who enfolds and pervades all places. This knowledge is provided to us by way of the Qur'an. Describing the reality of the secret behind matter will enable people to better understand these verses. People who realize that matter is not an absolute entity will realize with complete clarity that Allah is everywhere at any moment, that He sees and hears them at all moments, that He witnesses all things and is closer to them than their own jugular veins, and that He hears the prayers of those who pray.

Please read this link:
http://us1.harunyahy...roductId/20320/

Salam "

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Again, he is repeating the statement "Allah is everywhere at any moment." I have already given quotes from well-known books showing that it is not permissible to say so.

At one place he says "Allah is everywhere," and then elsewhere he says "Allah is without time and without place."

According to this, He is at every place but He is without place! "Confused and confusing" was the right title for this thread.

We say only what Islamic scholars say (and we don't add anything to what they have said): Allahu ta'ala exists without place, without direction, without time. He is the Creator of time and all places.

After I placed my criticism in my blog in Turkish, I have received some e-mails from his followers/readers in Turkey. They seem to be trying to prove to me that he does not mean "Allah is everywhere" when he says "Allah is everywhere." I say: Then, please, do not say "Allah is everywhere" if that's not what you mean.

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Ibn Hajar states:

Some of the Mu`tazila have claimed that Allah was everywhere on the basis of the hadith "If one of you stands in prayer, let him not spit in front of him for Allah is in front of him." This is evident ignorance, because the hadith then states that he should spit under his foot, which invalidates their principle. The hadith also constitutes a refutation of those who say that Allah is on the Arsh in person (bi dhatih).

Source: Footnote 107 on p. 45 in the translation of Al-Bayhaqi's "Al-Asma' wa al-Sifat."

This post has been edited by Murat Yazici: 13 March 2010 - 03:15 PM