[muslim786]

Assalamulikum WR WB,

A brother elsewhere has brought forward claims that Shaykh Ahmed Zayni Dahlan (Rah), who was Mufti of Shafis in Makkah and who wrote extensively against the wahabis of his time, was a apparently a British agent. This brother attributes this claim as being made by Shaykh Dr Khalid Mahmood who is a well known elderly deobandi alim based out of Manchester, England.
I was wondering what the knowledgable brothers here, made of such claims.

salaams

This post has been edited by muslim786: 28 May 2009 - 04:17 PM

[al-kakazai]

Salam

May Allah Taala guide these people and forgive them for their baseless slander. What these individuals forgot to mention was that Shaykh Zayni Dahlan is Mawlana Khalil Ahmads Shaykh in terms of Isnad, and that Mawlana Khalil requested an ijazah from him.

Please find attached the Ijazah of Shaykh Ahmad Zayni Dahlan given to Mawlana Khalil Ahmad Saharanpuri. It is taken from a work published out of Dar al-Kitab from Deoband and edited by Mawlana Ashiq Ilahi al-Barni. I think the scan attached is sufficient in undermining this claim.

Likewise the fictional piece posted about Mawlana Ahmad Rida Khan may be replied to soon. That article is filled with so many inaccuracies and contradictions that need to be addressed, however we have unfortunately become accustomed to this from these individuals.

Ws

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[muslim786]

al-kakazai, on May 28 2009, 05:40 PM, said:

Salam

May Allah Taala guide these people and forgive them for their baseless slander. What these individuals forgot to mention was that Shaykh Zayni Dahlan is Mawlana Khalil Ahmads Shaykh in terms of Isnad, and that Mawlana Khalil requested an ijazah from him.

Please find attached the Ijazah of Shaykh Ahmad Zayni Dahlan given to Mawlana Khalil Ahmad Saharanpuri. It is taken from a work published out of Dar al-Kitab from Deoband and edited by Mawlana Ashiq Ilahi al-Barni. I think the scan attached is sufficient in undermining this claim.

Likewise the fictional piece posted about Mawlana Ahmad Rida Khan may be replied to soon. That article is filled with so many inaccuracies and contradictions that need to be addressed, however we have unfortunately become accustomed to this from these individuals.

Ws

Assalamulikum WR WB,

I guess you have also been following the discussions made by some people from a certain Clique. They have now started labelling Hazrat Shaykh Faraz Rabbani (db), a person who has helped bring the love for Islam into many people's hearts as some sort of deviant, may Allah SWT save these individuals. We make dua for Hazrat Shaykh Faraz Rabbani every day, and thank Allah SWT for blessing us people here in the west with such a wonderful person from whom we have benefited greatly from.
They have not stopped there they have also belittled and maligned the name Hazrat Shaykh Syed Muhammad Al Yacobi (db) another gem, and man of Allah SWT.

Their true colours are finally shining through.

walikum as salaam

[salman]

salamu `alaykum

Yes, Mawlana Ashiq Ilahi mentions the same in his biography of Mawlana Khalil entitled "Tadhkira al-Khalil". He refers to Shaykh Ahmad Zayni Dahlan as "Shaykh al-Masha'ikh" and other such titles.

Wasalam
Salman

This post has been edited by salman: 17 February 2010 - 08:08 PM

[al-kakazai]

Wa Alaykum Salam

Yes, unfortunately this seems to be a common theme running across all of the sectarian groupings of the Subcontinent. I think I have now heard all three of them (deobandi/barelwi/ahl-e-hadith) accuse each other of being on the payroll of the British Empire. This is a symptom of being unable to looking at the issues from an 'ilmi' perspective without the biases or sectarian stances.

What appears to be clear is that none of these three schools were British agents, rather these schools expressed their thoughts because they held them to be correct (rightly or wrongly) not because of monetary considerations. Receiving a stipend or grant from the colonial government in India does not equate to being an agent as far as I can tell, if it does then according to documentation added to Dr Khalid Mahmoods twisted "logic" or analogy some of his own 'Akabir' do not escape.

Ws

[Hamoudeh]

There is something that we could do about it. As Sidi muslim786 mentioned, these individuals say to base themselves on the writings of Dr. Khalid Mahmood. So, we could trace it back and verify it, and make arrangements to translate it into Arabic. Then, we could bring it to the attention of senior scholars. I think many would be shocked to read these accusations, and perhaps someone would write a refutation in response. Like Sidi salman mentions, it is important to note the function of this slander, which serves as rhetoric in these subcontinental polemics. For me, employing such tactics does great damage to one's credibility and integrity. Only it's unfortunately not just laymen, not by far. It’s a serious issue, lost in their fanatic and zealous tribal feud people don’t realize the meaning of their accusations. Shaykh Dahlan was the Shafi`i Mufti of Mecca under the Ottomans. To accuse him of being a British agent, is to accuse him of high treason. It is even more than that, for being an agent says something about one's identity and not merely one's acts. It’s very disturbing.

[salman]

Hamoudeh, on Jun 2 2009, 03:03 AM, said:

There is something that we could do about it. As Sidi muslim786 mentioned, these individuals say to base themselves on the writings of Dr. Khalid Mahmood. So, we could trace it back and verify it, and make arrangements to translate it into Arabic. Then, we could bring it to the attention of senior scholars. I think many would be shocked to read these accusations, and perhaps someone would write a refutation in response. Like Sidi salman mentions, it is important to note the function of this slander, which serves as rhetoric in these subcontinental polemics. For me, employing such tactics does great damage to one's credibility and integrity. Only it's unfortunately not just laymen, not by far. It’s a serious issue, lost in their fanatic and zealous tribal feud people don’t realize the meaning of their accusations. Shaykh Dahlan was the Shafi`i Mufti of Mecca under the Ottomans. To accuse him of being a British agent, is to accuse him of high treason. It is even more than that, for being an agent says something about one's identity and not merely one's acts. It’s very disturbing.

salamu `alaykum

Someone had previously mentioned that these verdicts should be translated and shown to senior scholars. These statements are present in Dr. Khalid's work Mutala`a al-Barelwiyyah and should not be hard to find at all.

Wasalam
Salman

[al-kakazai]

Salam

Statements such as these are but a tip of the iceberg, they need to be translated and shown to ulama such as Shaykh Muhammad Awwamah and others.

[Hamoudeh]

Let's get on with it then, anyone volunteering for the scans and the translation? Showing Dr. Mahmood's work to Shaykh Muhammad `Awamma is an excellent idea, and what I would also suggest is to show the translation to Shaykh Husain Kadodia for his linguistic approval first, before furthering it to others.

[al-kakazai]

Salam

Coming back to Shaykh Zayni Dahlan and Dr Khalid, I think many balanced and decent scholars from the Deobandi school would strongly disagree with Dr Khalid, and perhaps regard him as a fringe element as opposed to being mainstream.

Ws

[Hamoudeh]

From what I hear of what's being related from Dr. Mahmud by his followers, I find it hard not to conclude the same as you have and consider that there might be quite some strong disagreement with him indeed. It would have been best if these things are taken care of within one's own circle, but unfortunately that isn't happening while in the meantime these more extreme elements are getting all the air time they need. So, we'll have to do something about it ourselves. Let's start by locating these scans, any takers?

Wassalam

[Abu Haneefa]

Assalamu^alaykum

Can i ask if someone gets this translation sorted can they make a post online with the information so we can make use of the material Inshallah.

Some years ago we had the brothers from the Bareillawi orientated manhaj causing chaos with printouts from a certain printer accusing the deobandi's of being Kaafirs and much more. It took us a few years to subdue the fitnah and now it appears some of the brothers from the deobandi orientated manhaj are doing the same with the work mentioned above.

As I know some brothers in the community who are going around with this work 'Mutala`a al-Barelwiyyah' and causing problems for some of the youngsters who are neither deobandi or breilawi. So it will be good if we can confront them with hard facts and try to keep our younger generation of Muslims out of the sectarian mentality and let them focus on the important aspects of their deen.

Wa Salam

[Hamoudeh]

The scans are located, I won't post them here as the only one in need of them is the future translator and we have to find him first. Perhaps brothers salman or al-kakaza'i could do the job? Otherwise, I read somewhere that Dr. `Isa Himyari is proficient in Urdu, does anyone know a way of getting in touch with him? If we all ask around at least, I'm sure we can find a solution insha'Allah.

Wassalam

[mubid al-majus]

Hamoudeh, on Jul 15 2009, 05:48 AM, said:

The scans are located, I won't post them here as the only one in need of them is the future translator and we have to find him first. Perhaps brothers salman or al-kakaza'i could do the job? Otherwise, I read somewhere that Dr. `Isa Himyari is proficient in Urdu, does anyone know a way of getting in touch with him? If we all ask around at least, I'm sure we can find a solution insha'Allah.

Wassalam

salam `alaykum wa rahmatullah,

Pardon my interruption, but even if Shaykh Khalid did say that Shaykh Zayni was an agent, is there a need for a scholarly refutation? I mean, Shaykh Zayni is widely known and respected by every Deobandi scholar I have come across, let alone the non-Deobandi ones. I don't think there is a point in asking a scholar to refute this.

Shaykh `Isa can be contacted via Imam Malik College, which is located in Dubai Academic City and also has an office across al-Reef Lebanese Bakery in Karama. Tel: 044370373

[muhammadyaqub]

as salamu alaykum,

I am attaching two pdf files taken from the introduction to Ml. Khalil Ahmad's Badhl al-Majhud that state he was a student of Mufti Ahmad Zayni Dahhlan. Also, in the books of thabat from later day Shafi'is their asanid in fiqh clearly run through Ahmad Zayni; whilst they also took knowledge from the Deobandis, such as the late Uthman Zayn. I have also heard that the late Sayyid Muhammad al-Maliki took bayah at the hands of Hazrat Shaykh Zakariyya. This would have probably been towards the later part of Sayyid Muhammad's life; hence possibly tabarrukan.

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This post has been edited by muhammadyaqub: 09 December 2009 - 05:41 PM