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Any Refutation for this refutation ? Muhammed SAW in the bible
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Posted 06 February 2009 - 06:13 PM
IrfanibnIsmail, on Feb 6 2009, 08:16 AM, said:
Wa'alaykum salaam wa rahmatullah,
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Another Scripture that Muslims regard as a prophecy pertaining to Mohammed, is in the Gospel according to John 1:19:
"And this is a record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, 'Who art thou?' And he confessed and denied not, but confessed, 'I am not the Christ.' And they asked him, 'What then? Art thou Elias?' And he said, 'I am not.' 'Art thou that prophet?' And he answered, 'No.' Then they said unto him, 'Who art thou?' ... He said, 'I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Isaiah.'"
Although Muslims decidedly reject any other part of the same chapter, which in no uncertain terms proclaims the divinity of Christ, they deem it fit to assume that "that prophet" or, as it actually says in the original "the prophet", was the expected Mohammed. Israel at that time was expecting a prophet, "the" prophet from God in the situation they lived in. He is the one announced in Deuteronomy 18:15ff:
"The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brethren - him you shall heed - just as you desired of the Lord your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly, when you said, 'Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, or see this great fire any more, lest I die.' And the Lord said to me, 'They have rightly said all that they have spoken. I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brethren; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. And whoever will not give heed to my words which he shall speak in my name, I myself will require it of him." (Deuteronomy 18:15-19).
That this "prophet" is Jesus is clearly stated in Acts 3:17-23:
"And now, brethren, I know that you acted in ignorance, as did also your rulers. But what God foretold by the mouth of all prophets, that his Christ should suffer, he thus fulfilled. Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus, whom heaven must receive until the time for establishing all that God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old. Moses said, 'The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet from your brethren as he raised me up. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. And it shall be that every soul that does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.'"
Another Scripture that Muslims regard as a prophecy pertaining to Mohammed, is in the Gospel according to John 1:19:
"And this is a record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, 'Who art thou?' And he confessed and denied not, but confessed, 'I am not the Christ.' And they asked him, 'What then? Art thou Elias?' And he said, 'I am not.' 'Art thou that prophet?' And he answered, 'No.' Then they said unto him, 'Who art thou?' ... He said, 'I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Isaiah.'"
Although Muslims decidedly reject any other part of the same chapter, which in no uncertain terms proclaims the divinity of Christ, they deem it fit to assume that "that prophet" or, as it actually says in the original "the prophet", was the expected Mohammed. Israel at that time was expecting a prophet, "the" prophet from God in the situation they lived in. He is the one announced in Deuteronomy 18:15ff:
"The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brethren - him you shall heed - just as you desired of the Lord your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly, when you said, 'Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, or see this great fire any more, lest I die.' And the Lord said to me, 'They have rightly said all that they have spoken. I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brethren; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. And whoever will not give heed to my words which he shall speak in my name, I myself will require it of him." (Deuteronomy 18:15-19).
That this "prophet" is Jesus is clearly stated in Acts 3:17-23:
"And now, brethren, I know that you acted in ignorance, as did also your rulers. But what God foretold by the mouth of all prophets, that his Christ should suffer, he thus fulfilled. Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus, whom heaven must receive until the time for establishing all that God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old. Moses said, 'The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet from your brethren as he raised me up. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. And it shall be that every soul that does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.'"
What I don't undestand is how can they say that 'that prophet' refers to the Christ(Jesus) when the jews sent the priests to ask John the Baptist, alayhi salam, who he was, and they asked him 'are you that prophet?' then John said ' No'. Now notice John said this AFTER denying he was the 'Christ'. So if John ALREADY confessed that he wasn't 'the Christ' then it would make no sense for the Jew to ask him, AGAIN, are you 'that prophet' if it was suppose to mean 'Christ' again. So I see conflict in the understanding that 'that prophet' is suppose to be the 'Christ' even when Paul claims that 'that prophet' is Christ, who is supposedly talked about in Deut 18:18. After John the Baptist(alayhis salam) denied being the 'Christ' the jews obviously was expecting someone else to come hence the reason for the OTHER QUESTION 'are you that prophet?'; the forthcoming Prophet(sallallahu alayhe wa sallam) to come from their scripture(i.e.Torah) as well.
Allah the Most High says:
7:157 (Y. Ali) "Those who follow the apostle, the unlettered prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in THE LAW (i.e. The Torah) and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper."
Wallahu 'Alam
This post has been edited by tru_Qur'an: 16 May 2009 - 04:34 PM
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Posted 18 February 2009 - 06:43 AM
I also remember reading this from a booklet called ' A Brief Illustrated Guide To Understanding Islam' where it states:
1:21 meaning in the book of John (http://www.islam-guide.com/frm-ch1-3.htm)
If I remember correctly,I have personally seen this footnote myself in which it(i.e. the footnote)distinguishes 'that prophet' from 'christ' by informing the reader to link the prophecy of Deut 18:18 with 'that prophet' in John 1:21.
Wallahu 'Alam
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"...Also, one notices from the Gospel of John that the Jews were waiting for the fulfillment of three distinct prophecies. The first was the coming of Christ. The second was the coming of Elijah. The third was the coming of the Prophet. This is obvious from the three questions that were posed to John the Baptist: “Now this was John’s testimony, when the Jews of Jerusalem sent priests and Levites to ask him who he was. He did not fail to confess, but confessed freely, “I am not the Christ.” They asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” He answered, “No.” (John 1:19-21). If we look in a Bible with cross-references, we will find in the marginal notes where the words “the Prophet” occur in John 1:21, that these words refer to the prophecy of Deuteronomy 18:15 and 18:18.2 We conclude from this that Jesus Christ is not the prophet mentioned in Deuteronomy 18:18.
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#2 See the marginal notes in The NIV Study Bible, New International Version on verse 1:21, p. 1594.
If I remember correctly,I have personally seen this footnote myself in which it(i.e. the footnote)distinguishes 'that prophet' from 'christ' by informing the reader to link the prophecy of Deut 18:18 with 'that prophet' in John 1:21.
Wallahu 'Alam
This post has been edited by tru_Qur'an: 19 February 2009 - 05:35 AM
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Posted 22 April 2009 - 01:52 PM
Assalamu^alaykum
Brother first thing i would like to mention is this site that answering islam website has now for many years been involved in its polemics against Islam. There have been many times also that representatives on behalf of this website have or those who have contributed to material on this website have engaged in debates which can be found online. One of the more popular being Jay Smith and Shabir Ally unless your engaged in Dawah opportunities with non muslims, I would not recommend wasting your time reading their polemics, as they are not worth the paper they are written on, as you will come to see inshallah.
I used to frequent this website before as i was always looking at their arguments against Islam etc and having gone back to it now i noticed the quality of the materials remains the same the only difference being now they have the site up and running in various other languages lol.
I used to find this website beneficial when it came to good responses to the polemics of the Christians... http://www.islamic-awareness.org/
Inshallah may be useful to yourself.
Brother first thing i would like to mention is this site that answering islam website has now for many years been involved in its polemics against Islam. There have been many times also that representatives on behalf of this website have or those who have contributed to material on this website have engaged in debates which can be found online. One of the more popular being Jay Smith and Shabir Ally unless your engaged in Dawah opportunities with non muslims, I would not recommend wasting your time reading their polemics, as they are not worth the paper they are written on, as you will come to see inshallah.
I used to frequent this website before as i was always looking at their arguments against Islam etc and having gone back to it now i noticed the quality of the materials remains the same the only difference being now they have the site up and running in various other languages lol.
I used to find this website beneficial when it came to good responses to the polemics of the Christians... http://www.islamic-awareness.org/
Inshallah may be useful to yourself.
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Posted 03 July 2009 - 07:45 AM
As salamu 'alaykum
Muhammad[peace and blessings be upon him] in the bible:
http://www.islammess...x?articleId=804
Muhammad[peace and blessings be upon him] in the bible:
http://www.islammess...x?articleId=804
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Posted 05 July 2009 - 09:02 PM
http://thecreedofislam.wordpress.com/
http://www.thedebateinitiative.com/
http://www.answering...nity.com/ac.htm
http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/
http://www.islamic-answers.com/
http://www.islamlife.com
http://tikaras.wordpress.com/
adamdeen.blogspot.com
http://unveilingchri...y.wordpress.com
wsallam
http://www.thedebateinitiative.com/
http://www.answering...nity.com/ac.htm
http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/
http://www.islamic-answers.com/
http://www.islamlife.com
http://tikaras.wordpress.com/
adamdeen.blogspot.com
http://unveilingchri...y.wordpress.com
wsallam
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Posted 05 December 2009 - 12:06 PM
tru_Qur, on 06 February 2009 - 11:43 PM, said:
IrfanibnIsmail, on Feb 6 2009, 08:16 AM, said:
Wa'alaykum salaam wa rahmatullah,
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3.
Another Scripture that Muslims regard as a prophecy pertaining to Mohammed, is in the Gospel according to John 1:19:
"And this is a record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, 'Who art thou?' And he confessed and denied not, but confessed, 'I am not the Christ.' And they asked him, 'What then? Art thou Elias?' And he said, 'I am not.' 'Art thou that prophet?' And he answered, 'No.' Then they said unto him, 'Who art thou?' ... He said, 'I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Isaiah.'"
Although Muslims decidedly reject any other part of the same chapter, which in no uncertain terms proclaims the divinity of Christ, they deem it fit to assume that "that prophet" or, as it actually says in the original "the prophet", was the expected Mohammed. Israel at that time was expecting a prophet, "the" prophet from God in the situation they lived in. He is the one announced in Deuteronomy 18:15ff:
"The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brethren - him you shall heed - just as you desired of the Lord your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly, when you said, 'Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, or see this great fire any more, lest I die.' And the Lord said to me, 'They have rightly said all that they have spoken. I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brethren; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. And whoever will not give heed to my words which he shall speak in my name, I myself will require it of him." (Deuteronomy 18:15-19).
That this "prophet" is Jesus is clearly stated in Acts 3:17-23:
"And now, brethren, I know that you acted in ignorance, as did also your rulers. But what God foretold by the mouth of all prophets, that his Christ should suffer, he thus fulfilled. Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus, whom heaven must receive until the time for establishing all that God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old. Moses said, 'The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet from your brethren as he raised me up. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. And it shall be that every soul that does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.'"
Another Scripture that Muslims regard as a prophecy pertaining to Mohammed, is in the Gospel according to John 1:19:
"And this is a record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, 'Who art thou?' And he confessed and denied not, but confessed, 'I am not the Christ.' And they asked him, 'What then? Art thou Elias?' And he said, 'I am not.' 'Art thou that prophet?' And he answered, 'No.' Then they said unto him, 'Who art thou?' ... He said, 'I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Isaiah.'"
Although Muslims decidedly reject any other part of the same chapter, which in no uncertain terms proclaims the divinity of Christ, they deem it fit to assume that "that prophet" or, as it actually says in the original "the prophet", was the expected Mohammed. Israel at that time was expecting a prophet, "the" prophet from God in the situation they lived in. He is the one announced in Deuteronomy 18:15ff:
"The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brethren - him you shall heed - just as you desired of the Lord your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly, when you said, 'Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, or see this great fire any more, lest I die.' And the Lord said to me, 'They have rightly said all that they have spoken. I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brethren; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. And whoever will not give heed to my words which he shall speak in my name, I myself will require it of him." (Deuteronomy 18:15-19).
That this "prophet" is Jesus is clearly stated in Acts 3:17-23:
"And now, brethren, I know that you acted in ignorance, as did also your rulers. But what God foretold by the mouth of all prophets, that his Christ should suffer, he thus fulfilled. Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus, whom heaven must receive until the time for establishing all that God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old. Moses said, 'The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet from your brethren as he raised me up. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. And it shall be that every soul that does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.'"
What I don't undestand is how can they say that 'that prophet' refers to the Christ(Jesus) when the jews sent the priests to ask John the Baptist, alayhi salam, who he was, and they asked him 'are you that prophet?' then John said ' No'. Now notice John said this AFTER denying he was the 'Christ'. So if John ALREADY confessed that he wasn't 'the Christ' then it would make no sense for the Jew to ask him, AGAIN, are you 'that prophet' if it was suppose to mean 'Christ' again. So I see conflict in the understanding that 'that prophet' is suppose to be the 'Christ' even when Paul claims that 'that prophet' is Christ, who is supposedly talked about in Deut 18:18. After John the Baptist(alayhis salam) denied being the 'Christ' the jews obviously was expecting someone else to come hence the reason for the OTHER QUESTION 'are you that prophet?'; the forthcoming Prophet(sallallahu alayhe wa sallam) to come from their scripture(i.e.Torah) as well.
Allah the Most High says:
7:157 (Y. Ali) "Those who follow the apostle, the unlettered prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in THE LAW (i.e. The Torah) and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper."
Wallahu 'Alam
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Posted 28 February 2010 - 11:06 AM
Assalamu^alaykum
Also to add brother if you look into the Dead sea scroll you will find that the community was expecting 2 prophets. This would confirm the passage where it is evident that they were expecting another Prophet besides the Messiah. I cannot remember the exact book i found this in but it was related to the discovery of the dead sea scroll.
Perhaps someone has a bit more info on this subject.
Also to add brother if you look into the Dead sea scroll you will find that the community was expecting 2 prophets. This would confirm the passage where it is evident that they were expecting another Prophet besides the Messiah. I cannot remember the exact book i found this in but it was related to the discovery of the dead sea scroll.
Perhaps someone has a bit more info on this subject.
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