[Ahmad-Qadri]

Ansari UK, on Aug 5 2008, 01:25 AM, said:

Giving bayah to the Shaykh is really giving bayah to the Rasul salalahu alayhi wasalaam.

... which is really pledging allegiance to Allah.

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48:10 Behold, all who pledge their allegiance to thee pledge their allegiance to God: the hand of God is over their hands. Hence, he who breaks his oath, breaks it only to his own hurt; whereas he who remains true to what he has pledged unto God, on him will He bestow a reward supreme.

إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يُبَايِعُونَكَ إِنَّمَا يُبَايِعُونَ اللَّهَ يَدُ اللَّهِ فَوْقَ أَيْدِيهِمْ
فَمَن نَّكَثَ فَإِنَّمَا يَنكُثُ عَلَى نَفْسِهِ وَمَنْ أَوْفَى بِمَا عَاهَدَ عَلَيْهُ اللَّهَ فَسَيُؤْتِيهِ أَجْرًا عَظِيمًا

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48:18 INDEED, well-pleased was God with the believers when they pledged their allegiance unto thee [O Muhammad] under that tree, for He knew what was in their hearts; and so He bestowed inner peace upon them from on high, and rewarded them with [the glad tiding of] a victory soon to come

لَقَدْ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ إِذْ يُبَايِعُونَكَ تَحْتَ الشَّجَرَةِ فَعَلِمَ مَا فِي قُلُوبِهِمْ فَأَنزَلَ السَّكِينَةَ عَلَيْهِمْ وَأَثَابَهُمْ فَتْحًا قَرِيبًا

And Allah knows best.

[Ahmad-Qadri]

Sidi Faqir,

Can you locate any detailed article where giving bayya is proven as a way of the salaf, I mean with references from books and stuff and analyses of scholars of salaf.

Jazak Allah

[Ibn Ajibah]

There is actually a research on it written by a hardcore salafi in which he established the proof for bay'ah to other than the Imam of the Muslims.

[Ahmad-Qadri]

Actually sidi, I need it to slap on a salafi.

In response to the 2 verses I posted, he's says I'm taking it "out of context!" Gotta love those lunatics. Their entire life they take verses out of context and call Muslims as mushriks and when you give them a daleel that BLATANTLY goes against their non-sense, they go for the "out of context" talk.

His sub-idiotic contention is that bay'ah can be given only to the prophet or a khalifa and not to a sheikh stupidly ignoring that the chain IS connected to the prophet.

[Ansari UK]

Attari, on Aug 6 2008, 09:57 AM, said:

Actually sidi, I need it to slap on a salafi.

In response to the 2 verses I posted, he's says I'm taking it "out of context!" Gotta love those lunatics. Their entire life they take verses out of context and call Muslims as mushriks and when you give them a daleel that BLATANTLY goes against their non-sense, they go for the "out of context" talk.

His sub-idiotic contention is that bay'ah can be given only to the prophet or a khalifa and not to a sheikh stupidly ignoring that the chain IS connected to the prophet.

Bayah was part and parcel of khilafa. Seeing as the Ibn Saud helped end that it is not suprising his clans theology (wahabism) is so against it. teach him history, thats a good place to start, even though we are getting a bit off topic.

[Ahmad-Qadri]

Yah dont mean to drift off topic. Just meant to say I need an academic fatwa or a quote from a book of reputable scholar pre 1800's showing these lunatics the seriousness of their confusion. Insha Allah if someone can find some it will be helpful. I couldn't locate one yet.

[Off Topic- What's that about history? You start talking to them about history and their backstabbings and they go off on a tangent that "that's politics and we're only concerned about religion" (actually HT also does that, calling it politics when it suits them and religion when it suits them)]

[Ansari UK]

Attari, on Aug 6 2008, 01:17 PM, said:

"that's politics and we're only concerned about religion" (actually HT also does that, calling it politics when it suits them and religion when it suits them)]

Asalam Alaykum,

I beleive this is the "inward" and the "outward" aspect of Islam Imam Malik rahimahu Allah personified beautifully in his fiqh. Of what use is jubbahs and long beards and miswaks (outward) if on the inward you do not change your condition (passive acceptance of the kuffar, not having an Amir). For this reason Imam Malik linked Amirate/Amr with the Shariah.

All the other Imams did too, however if you say "thats politics were only concerned about religion" then it means you dont even really know your religion. Politics is a direct part of it. The Rasul salalahu alayhi wasalaam, not only built a mosque in Madinah al Munawwarah, but a Market too. Do we also seperate economics from shariah? Like the wahabies (whom accept Usury in their non-renunciation of the US Dollar and fiat paper money)?

All of the African Amirates and Andalusian spain for 800 years functioned on bayah/Amr/Shariah with his Fiqh. If they said "we seperate politics" and removed Amr then i fear by Allah they wouldnt have conquered a garden path 2foot by 2foot - let alone all of Spain.

When your inward perfectly matches your outward - then you will receive untold benefits no msg board can convey. So let us start with ourselves.

Masalaam

[muhajir]

There is actually a research on it written by a hardcore salafi in which he established the proof for bay'ah to other than the Imam of the Muslims.

Asalaamu alaikum ibn ajiba would please post the link for this article for proofs of bayah insha Allah

[Al-Jahannamiyyun]

I came across this. Not sure if it helps. 

http://tanzeem.org/r...desc.asp?id=126