[Hamoudeh]

Assalamu `Alaykum

Sidi al-kakazai, I am happy to hear you agree with the importance of publishing such works. Could you tell me more about the book Bidayat al-Mantiq and its author? Is it contemporary? I am indeed looking to publish a basic introductory work in Mantiq meant to be used by basic beginners. If you are interested in translating such a work and have it published by Sunni Publications, it is best to discuss this over email. I can be reached through the website insha'Allah. We could compile a list of terms here on Marifah, and have it checked afterwards. It would be very beneficial for the forum members as well insha'Allah. However, I don't think such a book necessary requires any annotation or re-arrangement on the part of the translator, lest it is of a linguistic nature. There are some details to this of course, but I am particularly looking for a book that suffices as it is.

As for annotation itself in general, then I agree that the involvement or approval of scholars [of the actual additions] should suffice insha'Allah. Indeed books have been annotated and commented upon throughout history, by scholars. If you mean that Sunni Publications can make arrangements for translations to be additionally annotated or commented upon by those considered qualified to do so, then yes this will be possible in the future insha'Allah. Alhamdulillah, we are now nearing a position in which we can begin pursuing such endeavours. But it would take much time and effort, and would therefore be costly as well and difficult to pursue for small publishers. However, if you mean that it is something easy enough for myself to do then you are horribly mistaken. Sidi Aftab's input on the other hand would be quite welcomed.

Regarding the Ajwiba, perhaps we can publish the translation of this work but initially at least it is more likely that it will be merely the text itself without annotations or commentary. This of course unless someone can provide a good translation of it together with a (translated or original) commentary by a scholar or a student whose additions have been verified by a scholar. I haven't decided to pursue this book and am not in a hurry to do so, therefore if someone can make the arrangements in time, then by the time it is finished I will surely appreciate it being offered for publication insha'Allah.

Sidi Ajiba, jazzakumAllah khayran for the tips. Is he Amr from Lisanularab? [ http://lisanularab.o...amp;postcount=4 ]. I would like to get in touch with him. Very nice to hear about Shaykh Karamali's translation, do you think he might be interested in publishing it? I would like to get in touch with him as well and discuss this. I read on Sidi Harun's (also a member here) blog that someone was translating this and Jawhar al-Maknun as well. It would be quite something to publish this work in English I think. As for a commentary, perhaps this is something either of the Shaykhs can do. Or how about Shaykh Sa`id's commentary? Sidi al-kakazai mentions a commentary as well, more information on that would be appreciated.

Sidi Salman, jazzakumAllah khayran for the tips as well. I would like to get in touch with Shaykh Talal and Shaykh Ramzi also. As for rearranging and rewriting texts, these are good ideas but not something I can easily arrange. You mention that you could get some of the mentioned scholars to read, correct or make suggestions for it. However, who will rewrite and rearrange it, and add excercises to it?

Let's make that list!

Wassalam

[Ibn Ajibah]

One of the problem with the older texts is that their examples are not so relevant to people today, not to mention the method in which the subject is presented. This, and other points were mentioned by Sh. Said in more than one place.

Another thing that should not be forgotten or disregarded is Sidi Salman's advice about having a book with exercises and an answer key at the end.

I was looking through some christian homeschooling websites, and some of them have actually put together a curriculum using the old trivium/quadrivium model. They have some exercise books on logical fallacies and logic wherein they use passages from books, news articles, and other material, accompanied by an answer key at the end.

Coming together and making a similar appendix would be a great idea. Sadly most people in the west (and Muslims along with them) dont get educated in these sciences in any meaningful way, so if sunni publications could put together a book like this, it would be, no matter how basic, probably a big hit with people.

[al-kakazai]

Salam

I am in touch with Sh. Aminullah, we are working on a project to prepare a translation and decent edition of Habib Umars beginners text on grammar, pre Ajrumiyyah level.

Ws

[Ibn Ajibah]

I recently stumbled across this book on amazon: http://www.amazon.co...-...3487&sr=8-1

It seems to be a very good work in that it combines critical thinking with classic logic [Aristotelian].

[al-kakazai]

salam

if someone could post a comprehensive list of the arabic terms with their english equivalents it would be appreciated

the bidayat al-mantiqi is a modern work based on isaghawji

ws

[Hamoudeh]

Terminology of Mantiq & Logic

[Abdur-Rahman]

Salams,

al-Madkhal fi l-fiqh al-islami by Shaykh Salah Abu al-Hajj's

[faqir]

Shaykh Sa'id Foudah's 160 odd page Sharh of al-Aqidah al-Tahawiyya

There is alot of interest in the West for Imam Tahawi's creed so this book would be an excellent translation.

[al-kakazai]

Salam

Inshallah just to let you guys know, Turath are looking to start on the brief commentary on the Aqidah al-Awam by Imam al-Marzuqi, the author of the commentary being: Sh. Muhammad Alawi al-Maliki. Its a very basic explanation, but of use for all study circles inshallah. The poem itself has been translated already and is awaiting the commentary to be added.

Ws

[Talib Ajaz]

A' salmu allay Kum

I'm so glad that sunni pubs have come along and done what they have, inshAllah the future looks bright...

I know that Amal Press have recently published a book by Imam Jalal Ad Din Al-Suyuti [RA] but there isn't that much in Eng by this Great Scholar. It would be highly benefical if sunni pubs could publish 'Qasays Al Kubra' in Eng, forgive my transliteration.

Ma' Salma

This post has been edited by Talib Ajaz: 13 October 2008 - 10:24 AM

[faqir]

Ibn Ajibah, on Sep 7 2008, 08:57 AM, said:

Sidi Hamza Karamali has a fairly decent translation (non versified) translation of al-Akhdari's Sullam. The only problem is that it would need a commentary, and would need to be published outside of the sunnipath course.

Regarding your suggestions for English books on logic, Sidi Salman, thank you so much. I have been looking for decent books in English. Can you send me your msn information via pm? I would be interested in talking to you about some of those terms in English that you are familiar with.

was salam.

What about this commentary?


http://baytulhikma.w...-by-al-akhdari/

http://baytulhikma.w...ess.com/page/2/

[Hamoudeh]

faqir, on Sep 11 2008, 09:25 PM, said:

Shaykh Sa'id Foudah's 160 odd page Sharh of al-Aqidah al-Tahawiyya There is alot of interest in the West for Imam Tahawi's creed so this book would be an excellent translation.

I didn't realise there was no sharh of this book translated yet. I imagined there must be. Even now others are already translating a sharh, Shaykh Sa`id's remains a good idea.

Talib Ajaz, on Oct 13 2008, 11:22 AM, said:

I know that Amal Press have recently published a book by Imam Jalal Ad Din Al-Suyuti [RA] but there isn't that much in Eng by this Great Scholar. It would be highly benefical if sunni pubs could publish 'Qasays Al Kubra' in Eng, forgive my transliteration.

There were actually some ideas regarding Khasa'is al-Kubra that we have worked on, but it is not feasible in the near future due to its large size. Hopefully it will be possible further in time, insha'Allah. Right now, we have still the second volume of Imam Sirajuddin's book to publish on the topic. The Khasa'is would be an excellent follow up. As for other works by the Imam, then there is a great wealth of works to choose from. See the list in Shaykh Gibril's biography of him: http://www.abc.se/~m9783/suyuti_e.html

Wassalam

[al-kakazai]

Salam

Would you be interested in translating Sh Muhammad Alawi al-Maliki's commentary on the Aqidah al-Awam?

Anyways a final decision will be made soon, however it would be good to know if you guys would be willing to take up the project, I would not mind helping with the editing if need be inshallah.

As for some other book selections I still think texts which are more fundamentally important and useful are being ignored. I gave some examples previously and I think perhaps some of us need to discuss this in some more detail again.

Ws

This post has been edited by al-kakazai: 15 May 2009 - 02:59 PM

[al-kakazai]

Salam

Anyone? There is already way too much specialised material out there, we need to focus back on the basics which everyone can benefit from, leave the specialised works to serious students who make the effort to learn Arabic.

I have ideas for other works aswell so please get in touch...

Ws

This post has been edited by al-kakazai: 15 May 2009 - 03:00 PM

[faqir]

as-salamu `alaikum
don't worry bro....... he'll get back to you.
is there an on-line version of that work?